Admiral F-4?

JoeS · Post by **JoeS** » Wed May 16, 2007 7:46 am

Hi

Just noticed that Bad Cat are no longer displaying the upcoming AT F-4 in the pre-orders section. Doesn't sound too healthy.

VMF115 · Post by **VMF115** » Wed May 16, 2007 7:52 am

JoeS wrote:Hi

Just noticed that Bad Cat are no longer displaying the upcoming AT F-4 in the pre-orders section. Doesn't sound too healthy.

I agree but I think AT will make some thing better if thats the case. lets just hope 21st will not do the same thing.

I want my F-4

JoeS · Post by **JoeS** » Wed May 16, 2007 7:58 am

I echo your sentiments VMF, as to the desire of owning the F-4, however I have that sinking feeling that this one is pulled. I remember Jason saying that they'd produce a more refined and feature packed F-4, but I'm not so sure given the the offering from 21st. But hey it's all cloak and dagger from now on and I think intel will be a little thin on the ground from now on just to maintain the competitive edge. Fingers crossed AT will release this beautiful bird.

VMF115 · Post by **VMF115** » Wed May 16, 2007 8:04 am

JoeS wrote:I echo your sentiments VMF, as to the desire of owning the F-4, however I have that sinking feeling that this one is pulled. I remember Jason saying that they'd produce a more refined and feature packed F-4, but I'm not so sure given the the offering from 21st. But hey it's all cloak and dagger from now on and I think intel will be a little thin on the ground from now on just to maintain the competitive edge. Fingers crossed AT will release this beautiful bird.

I am not counting on AT makeing the F-4 maybe they will make some thing else like an F-14 or an A-6 to go along with the 21st Nam theme.

VMF115 · Post by **VMF115** » Wed May 16, 2007 8:07 am

Can some one Phone the guys at BAD CAT to see whats going on?

BadCatMatt · Post by **BadCatMatt** » Wed May 16, 2007 9:26 am

On the TV Show "Wheel of Fortune" contestants guess the names of places or phrases based on incomplete words. They get a few letters here and there then use this information to make an educated guess to solve the puzzle. Sometimes they're right, sometimes not.

We do the same thing with predicting new product arrivals--as do the members this board. Unless we have a contract in hand (and even then its no guarantee), we have to make educated guesses based on limited/incomplete info. And the game's getting tougher as the information sources are not as forthcoming as in the past.

If you don't see a particular 1:18 Preorder item on our site then you can assume we either don't know about it or we don't think it will be released this year. This industry is dynamic. It is full of feints, misdirections, and changes of plans. Through it all we try to provide the most accurate, up-to-date, information possible. Sometimes we're right, sometimes not.

Rob

Sabrefan · Post by **Sabrefan** » Wed May 16, 2007 10:48 am

Not looking good for the Admiral F-4.

VMF115 · Post by **VMF115** » Wed May 16, 2007 10:57 am

SO next year,,,maybe?????

I guess the only thing thats comeing out this year from AT is the SBD.

digger · Post by **digger** » Wed May 16, 2007 11:31 am

VMF115, What about the A-1?

Shin Densetsu · Post by **Shin Densetsu** » Wed May 16, 2007 12:33 pm

I think it will still come out. Jason and co worked a long time on it, and a good number of you were still rooting for them despite 21st showing theirs later in the day.

I expect that and the skyraider to come out along with a shocking aircraft to come right afterwards out of nowhere, and I think all will
be happy.

Birddog · Post by **Birddog** » Wed May 16, 2007 1:52 pm

I wouldn't dismiss the Admrial Toys F-4 being produced.

The second Me-262 paint scheme, "White 7", and the Hartmann paint scheme for the F-86 were both due in May and now they are saying Summer 2007. This change probably means that there has been some sort of set back in production or shipping and maybe that means AT's F-4 won't be out until next year. Matt just indicated that one reason that an item may not appear on the Pre-Order list is that they believe it won't be out until next year. AT's F-4 was first announced to arrive around Christmas time this year anyhow. A small change in the production of one aircraft may have a ripple effect on the others. We all know how the time frames can change and Jason has eluded that to us many times before.

Isn't the A-1 supposed to come out this year? I haven't seen a pre-order up on Bad Cat's website for it since the day it was revealed.

scbvideoboy · Post by **scbvideoboy** » Wed May 16, 2007 4:48 pm

BadCatMatt wrote:On the TV Show "Wheel of Fortune" contestants guess the names of places or phrases based on incomplete words. They get a few letters here and there then use this information to make an educated guess to solve the puzzle. Sometimes they're right, sometimes not.

We do the same thing with predicting new product arrivals--as do the members this board. Unless we have a contract in hand (and even then its no guarantee), we have to make educated guesses based on limited/incomplete info. And the game's getting tougher as the information sources are not as forthcoming as in the past.

If you don't see a particular 1:18 Preorder item on our site then you can assume we either don't know about it or we don't think it will be released this year. This industry is dynamic. It is full of feints, misdirections, and changes of plans. Through it all we try to provide the most accurate, up-to-date, information possible. Sometimes we're right, sometimes not.

Rob

Ok then what about the brief appearance of a red fokker dr1 on the splash page? 1/18 WWI ? I'm IN like Flint...

DH

VMF115 · Post by **VMF115** » Wed May 16, 2007 6:25 pm

digger wrote:VMF115, What about the A-1?

I dont know, but since badcat does not have it listed as a preorder then I bet it will not come out this year, I bet we only see 1 new 1:18 aircraft from AT,,, Jason prove me wrong.

digger · Post by **digger** » Wed May 16, 2007 6:45 pm

VMF115 wrote:
digger wrote:VMF115, What about the A-1?
I dont know, but since badcat does not have it listed as a preorder then I bet it will not come out this year...

I hope you're kidding.

VMF115 · Post by **VMF115** » Wed May 16, 2007 6:55 pm

digger wrote:
VMF115 wrote: I dont know, but since badcat does not have it listed as a preorder then I bet it will not come out this year...
I hope you're kidding.

I don't know whats going on with AT at this point, and since Jason is not talking we will not know whats going on untill something shows up. So I bet AT will be like BBI from now on. like or not thats is how they will be from now on, unless Jason can remove this thought from my mind, that is how I will view it.

Rowsdower · Post by **Rowsdower** » Wed May 16, 2007 7:39 pm

scbvideoboy wrote:1/18 WWI ? I'm IN like Flint...

DH

Heck yeah! I'll take one 1:18 Eddie Rickenbacker "Hat in the Ring" SPAD please!

Jolly Roger · Post by **Jolly Roger** » Wed May 16, 2007 10:09 pm

you guys are silly.

Pre-order generally is meant for products that are done with production and are awaiting frieght or arrival to the warehouses, that then ship to the companies, unless they are drop shipments.

VMF115 · Post by **VMF115** » Wed May 16, 2007 11:06 pm

Jolly Roger wrote:you guys are silly.

Pre-order generally is meant for products that are done with production and are awaiting frieght or arrival to the warehouses, that then ship to the companies, unless they are drop shipments.

true, but BAD CAT had the AT F-4 up since feb and the military toy shop has the AT A1 on their website also.

pickelhaube · Post by **pickelhaube** » Thu May 17, 2007 4:09 am

Maybe some Sasquatch did step on the prototype and that is the reason for the set back.

scbvideoboy · Post by **scbvideoboy** » Thu May 17, 2007 4:34 am

pickelhaube wrote:Maybe some Sasquatch did step on the prototype and that is the reason for the set back.

Then AT has a new stuffed trophy to display in their showroom.

DH

digger · Post by **digger** » Thu May 17, 2007 5:22 am

Jolly Roger wrote:you guys are silly.

Pre-order generally is meant for products that are done with production and are awaiting frieght or arrival to the warehouses, that then ship to the companies, unless they are drop shipments.

Seriously...let's not try to decide what is coming out by what Bad Cat has up for pre-order...please.

Some reputable small retailers don't do pre-orders and still manage to offer great prices.

Jason of Admiral Toys · Post by **Jason of Admiral Toys** » Sat May 19, 2007 12:39 am

VMF115 wrote:
digger wrote:VMF115, What about the A-1?
Jason prove me wrong.

I cannot do that at this time.
More news to come much later.

Regards,
Jason

chunks · Post by **chunks** » Sat May 19, 2007 12:46 am

Jason of Admiral Toys wrote:
VMF115 wrote: Jason prove me wrong.
I cannot do that at this time.
More news to come much later.

Regards,
Jason

Thanks, I'm hoping 21c didn't buy up the production space just for the misc halibut stuff they're offering. FWIMBW.

The Best

VMF115 · Post by **VMF115** » Sat May 19, 2007 9:05 am

Jason of Admiral Toys wrote:
VMF115 wrote: Jason prove me wrong.
I cannot do that at this time.
More news to come much later.

Regards,
Jason

I bet the A-1 and F-4 are torpedoed and I hope you are working on an A-10 and F-14.

Sabrefan · Post by **Sabrefan** » Sat May 19, 2007 9:47 am

I sure hope they don't cancel the Skyraider. I really want that one.

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